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FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH's CHRIS KAEL: “Against PHIL LABONTE from ALL THAT REMAINS's advice, I actually go to therapy”

10-08-2026

During the latest episode of the “Beardo & Weirdo” podcast, hosted by FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH bassist Chris Kael and comedian Craig GassKael addressed ALL THAT REMAINS frontman Phil Labonte‘s recent claim that “therapy is for women” and that “men don’t solve their problems by talking.” Noting that he is not currently involved in a romantic relationship for the first time in a long time, Kael said: “Against Phil Labonte from ALL THAT REMAINS‘s advice, I actually go to therapy.” After Gass described Phil‘s comment as “one of the dumbest fucking things I’ve ever heard in my life,” Chris clarified: “I understand what he’s saying, though. There’s some truth in there… He basically said that men don’t need therapy. We need to take action. We get our good feelings in life from doing. Which is true, but he’s telling this in an interview. The interview — you’re talking about feelings and whatnot. You’re doing therapy in that interview. You’re not going to a therapist.”

Chris continued: “So, it has definitely helped me out, with therapy, going in… It’s almost like a meditative thing for me. I’m taking a pause from everything else going on in the world. I’m focusing on me, making plans for the future, talking about things that upset me. And not for nothing, I’m clearly still very angry. So, channel that stuff into music. And even it gives me song ideas a couple times, really opening up and being vulnerable about stuff, and, like, ‘Oh, there’s a song idea.'”

Kael also elaborated on his belief that listening to heavy or extreme music can process frustration safely rather than increase hostility.

“It’s a simmering rage in there all the time,” Chris explained about his state of mind. “I don’t know where it comes from. But we were talking to Frank Bello (of ANTHRAX on this podcast) just the other day, and he was talking about this music being an outlet for that sort of stuff. God bless music for you all for keeping me sane. (Laughs)”

Labonte made his original controversial comments in June 2026 while speaking to Bill Bailey of Today’s Boondoggle Podcast about Phil‘s 2024 op-ed, “The Silent Crisis: Why Society Is Failing Men And Boys”, in which the singer highlighted rising male disengagement from education, work, and community, alongside increasing rates of depression, addiction, and suicide.

Labonte told Bailey: “Look, for the better part of the past three decades, men have been told that they are the problem. You saw it in the ’90s when every single sitcom had the doofy husband, and the woman was the smart one, and thank God for her because without her, that poor schlub would just run his life into the ground. And that was the standard kind of thing. And it’s been like that. And that’s not the way that reality is. Raising a family is a team effort. Mothers are super important, but fathers are super important too. And you see a lot of kids that are being raised by single mothers. You’ve got divorces at all-time highs. Generally, it’s initiated by the female. Young men are not going to college. They’re not graduating college. They’re checking out of society. They’re deciding that it’s not worth it to try and find a girlfriend. Most kids nowadays — I don’t know the numbers — but most kids have not gone on a date. There’s not nearly as many young men and young women getting together that are dating. Gen Z is the least sexually active generation in a long time. You see abortion is at an all-time high. All of these things are directly downstream from feminism and the massive influence that the left and feminist ideas have on society.”

Phil continued: “The idea that a woman can be the boss babe and a mother at the same time is a total lie. You cannot do both. You can do one or the other. Women are deciding that they want to go to school and have a career, and then when they hit their 30s, they’re scrambling to try and find a man, but men have checked out or they’ve already found — or they’re going for younger girls that are looking for families and stuff. Male suicide is at an all-time high. Men are, like I said, they’re checking out of society. They’re deciding to anesthetize themselves with video games and pot. All these things are absolutely terrible for a society. And so the op-ed was kind of to outline this stuff, and now there’s a bill that’s in the House — it’s in committee, I think — and it’s to start the White House council on fathers and sons. It’s based on the framework that was created during the Obama administration, which was the White House council on women and girls, and then it was changed during the Biden administration, I believe. I forget what the Biden administration called it, but it was something very gender neutral. And so there is a framework there. So hopefully we can, we can get this passed and have the White House actually talk about this because this is a crisis that is a big deal for society.”

Labonte added: “Suicide among men my age — 50 and above — the rates are up. Men have to have meaning. Men need something to do. The idea that men can go to therapy and that’s gonna solve their problems is ridiculous. Therapy is for women. Men don’t solve their problems by talking. Men solve their problems through action. So men should be doing things with other men, like building things, going out and fixing cars, whatever it is. But those kind of activities are what will help a man feel accomplished, help a man feel like he’s got purpose. Just going and talking to a therapist, that’s not what fixes men. That’s not what fixes men at all. Men need goals that are achievable, and they need to make progress to those goals. That kind of stuff is what will help a man feel empowered, feel good about himself. That’s the kind of stuff that men need. And the idea that all of society is telling men, ‘Oh, you should be more like women,’ or, ‘You should go to therapy,’ none of these things help men. And the evidence is in the statistics. The evidence is in the suicide rate. It’s in the depression rate. It’s in the fact that men are checking out from society. These ideas don’t work for men because men and women are not the same. And this is not in any way an attack on women, but men and women need to be treated as if they are men and women. They’re two different, different psychologies. And that’s not to say that there aren’t men with more feminine characteristics or women with more masculine characteristics, but broadly, men are different than women, and they need different things to make them feel emotionally fulfilled and psychologically acceptable.”

FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH has recently released a music video for the song “Nails In The Coffin”. The track is taken from the band’s tenth studio album, “Legacy”, which was made available digitally on Friday, July 31, while the CD, vinyl and cassette versions will land on September 18.

Watch “Nails In The Coffin” below.

FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH‘s founding guitarist Zoltan Bathory offered his perspective on the track: “( FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH singer) Ivan (Moody) never defines the meaning of his lyrics. He doesn’t want to rob the fans of their own interpretation, so a song means whatever it’s supposed to mean to each listener. That’s by design, and I love that about him. But to me, ‘Nails In The Coffin’ is about burying the things that tried to bury us. Every doubt, every prediction that we wouldn’t last, every catastrophe that was supposed to be the last nail in our coffin. 20 years later, we are still here and we’re the ones holding the hammer.”

“Legacy” is the record Bathory and his FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH bandmates regard as the definitive statement of everything they are. The album arrived on the heels of current single “Eye Of The Storm”, delivering the band’s 18th No. 1 on Billboard‘s Mainstream Rock chart, extending their own record for the most consecutive No. 1s in the chart’s 45-year history. Few bands reach a 20th anniversary. Fewer still reach it at the height of their commercial power.

Revolver praised the track’s blend of battering riffs and melody driven by Moody‘s introspective vocal performance, while Loudwire called it “a furious opening statement for the new album cycle.”

Bathory left no doubt about where “Legacy” stands in the band’s catalog: “This album is our loud and clear answer to the question of whether a band can stay true to the signature sound that has become the soundtrack to millions of fans’ daily lives and still write something new and exciting. ‘Legacy’ is an absolute monster, an unapologetic monument to how far we’ve come, and a clear signal that we’re not even thinking about slowing down. If you asked me to pick the one record that best represents the essence of this band, I would hand you this one.”

Track list:
1. Legacy 03:30
2. De Oppresso Liber 04:00
3. Eye Of The Storm 03:15
4. Nails In The Coffin 04:09
5. In Time 04:01
6. Unscathed 03:56
7. Joke’s On Me 03:32
8. Everybody Lies 03:20
9. Shelter 03:46
10. Scapegoat 03:15

FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH  previously celebrated celebrating its 20th anniversary with the release of “Best Of – Volume 1”, a collection of re-recorded versions of their most iconic chart-topping songs. This move comes in response to the sale of the band’s original master recordings by their former label, an action made without their knowledge or the opportunity to reclaim their own work.

An offering from the 20th-anniversary edition, in a poetic coincidence, happens to be titled “I Refuse”, a fan favorite that was always meant to be a single. This reimagined, re-recorded version of “I Refuse”, now features guest vocals from Maria Brink of IN THIS MOMENT.

Wat the lyric video of “I Refuse” featuring Maria Brink  below.

“Best Of – Volume 1” track listing

01. Under And Over It (2025 Version)
02. Wash It All Away (2025 Version)
03. Battle Born (2025 Version)
04. I Refuse (feat. Maria Brink of In This Moment) (2025 Version)
05. Jekyll And Hyde (2025 Version)
06. Wrong Side Of Heaven (2025 Version)
07. Lift Me Up (2025 Version)
08. Far From Home (2025 Version)
09. Bad Company (2025 Version)
10. House Of The Rising Sun (2025 Version)
11. Gone Away (2025 Version)
12. Remember Everything (2025 Version)
13. Coming Down (2025 Version)
14. The Bleeding (2025 Version)
15. Trouble (Live)
16. Welcome To The Circus (Live)
17. The Bleeding (Live)

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