Kingcrow – Interview met Diego Cafolla
Diego Cafolla: “Kintsugi is a great metaphor for traumas and how you recover from it. It can enrich you because it represents what you are going through in your life. It makes you what you are now..
Nooit eerder moesten we zo lang wachten op een nieuw Kingcrow album, maar de Romeinse progressieve rock/metal band uit Italië kreeg uiteraard ook te maken met een pauze vanwege de pandemie en het contract met Sensory Records was ten einde. Dat opende nieuwe perspectieven, zodat hun achtste studioalbum ‘Hopium’ uitkomt bij het grotere Season Of Mist. Naar aanleiding van deze puike ‘comeback’ konden we ook eens gezellig bijpraten met stichtend lid Diego Cafolla, die niet alleen gitaar en keyboards speelt, maar ook de muziek componeert.
Vera Matthijssens Ι 13 september 2024
In 2018 you released the previous album ‘The Persistence’, but that is already six years ago. So, what happened after that release?
We had a couple of extensive tours for ‘The Persistence’ in Europe. One with Pain Of Salvation, it lasted a month. Then we did another headline tour right before the lockdown basically. We came home and the day after, we went under lockdown. So then there was covid-19 and we basically could not play the whole period of covid-19, because our studio is located in another region of the country. We could not go there and all our instruments were in the studio, because we went under lockdown the day after we had loaded all the stuff in the studio. So I did not had any instrument at all.
What a frustration!
Yeah. So we started working on the new record right after the pandemic and I have to say that we worked pretty fast. We finished the record – all the recordings, the mixing and the mastering – in 2022. The record was ready. So it was four years with covid-19, which was not such a long time if you think about it, but at the same time, with ‘The Persistence’, our contract with Sensory Records – our last label – expired and we wanted to look for another label, just to try something different. If there was any other label interested in the band… it was… several. We received several offers and we took a few months to collect offers and decide which one of them we were going to work with. Then we signed to Season of Mist, a very big label and the thing is that they have long time schedules, because they have a lot of releases. So it took one year basically and so we will release the album six years after ‘The Persistence’, but the album is – for us – already two years old.
Sometimes you create concept albums and lyrics are very important for the band. I think vocalist Diego Marchesi is writing the lyrics?
Yes, he wrote the lion’s share of the lyrics. I wrote the lyrics for just one song on this record.
Nevertheless can you tell something about the story and what inspired you in general?
I think we always try to speak about things that matter to us. I know Diego is a kind of very emotional guy, so he is always talking about the world around him, things that affect him directly. So it is about friends and life in general. With this record I think he really wrote some deep lyrics, especially the ones about how to deal with trauma and recover from it and enrich yourself with all the experiences you go through. It is a very emotional record for him and for us.
You hear that in the music as well, since you have evolved since the beginning, but I still recognize the Kingcrow I got to know with ‘Insider’…
That is a long time ago (chuckles). Yeah we always try to make the atmosphere in the music matching with the lyrics. Diego writes the lyrics and I spice the atmosphere of the song with it. So we always try to have this good combination of the atmosphere of the song and the lyrics. It is very important for us.
Which one is your lyric?
‘’New Moon Harvest’. Many people think it is a song about relations, but it is actually more about my relationship with music.
What does the track ‘Kintsugi’ mean?
Kintsugi is a Japanese art with a certain philosophy. You learn about the rich history and philosophy and then break and repair a ceramic bowl by using gold, so that it even looks better than before it was broken. It is very beautiful and it is a great metaphor for traumas and how you recover from it. It can enrich you because it represents what you are going through in your life. It makes you what you are now.
Is there a special reason for choosing the album title ‘Hopium’? Does it have any affinity with opium?
In the beginning, during the preproduction, there was an intro to the record which was called ‘Hope’. The last track was ‘Opium’. So I titled the entire album ‘Hopium’, choosing those two words. I thought about using such a word and then I talked with Diego, the singer, about it and we thought it was a cool title. It was a working title in the beginning, but it stayed during the whole process and then the lyrics were a concept and that’s how it ended up as title of the record. So it is a kind of good accident.
There is a piano solo in that lengthy song ‘Hopium’ from Vikram Shankar. How did you meet him?
I knew he was a fan of the band. I had the idea of putting a crazy piano solo on the last section of the song and I contacted him and I told him… I don’t remember clearly, but I gave him some references and I told him: ‘just go crazy’ and just a day later, he sent me the solo. It was perfect, splendid at first strike. It is the big epic on the record.
Let us go back in time now, because not everybody will know the band. You and your brother founded the band in 1996…
We started playing together, it was not really a band, but we play together since 1996.
What were the intentions at that time? Did you have heroes who influenced your musical direction?
I think we started playing covers at that time. I remember playing every sort of music, from The Beach Boys to Slayer, Iron Maiden,… very different styles and then it was a common friend of us that started playing the bass. That’s how the band started basically, but the beginning was just for fun, playing covers and everything. It was like a teenager kind of band. The first album only came in 2001.
Italy is an amazing country, but wasn’t it extra difficult to make it from there? Maybe in Germany you got more chances…
North Europe in general is a bit easier indeed, especially because when we started I think Italy was mainly known for power metal at that time. Everyone was playing power metal. We had bands like Rhapsody or Labyrinth, so we were a very strange band at that time, because we were playing this kind of progressive rock and classic metal. So we sounded very different from the other bands and I think the biggest difference was for the people, because an Italian band was automatically a power metal band, so these kind of fans were automatically checking us, and obviously skipping us because we were so different from those other bands, but with time, we kind of grew in credibility and I think now we are regarded as a progressive band in whole Europe.
You are long time friends with Pain Of Salvation…
Yes, it is flattering when an accomplished band has good words for your band. It is really flattering.
You even did a long US tour in 2013 with them. What are your memories on that tour?
It was a great time! I think it was for the record ‘In Crescendo’ and it was three weeks in America with the guys who are very down to earth, easygoing guys and so for us it was a really fantastic experience.
Except for you and your brother, also Ivan Nastasi (guitars) is a long time member. When did he join the band?
I think it was the time of the first record, we were about to go to Milan to record the record of our debut album, which is actually a very long demo, it is not a regular album, but it is a collection of demos basically, but he did join the band a month before but he did not join us for the recordings, because he did not have time to learn all the songs.
With singer Diego Marchesi it is also a special story, because he was already there in the beginning, but through the years you have had other singers as well. How come?
Because Diego was actually a friend of our first singer and when we were making ‘Phlegethon’ – which is the first record where Diego joined us – we had a hiatus because it was a time when the band was gone, we did nothing, and I wrote the album just for fun, just for myself. I sent the album to Ivan, to my brother and to my friend and said ‘I think I have an album’ but there was a big change in the style of the music. So we wanted a kind of different voice for it and Stefano Tissi (which is the singer on the first record and still one of my best friends nowadays) told me: ‘I know a guy and he has this required voice, he is even singing in a musical.’ We contacted him and had a rehearsal together and the rest is history.
You also made video clips. Can you tell something about that?
We made two video clips and one play-through for the promotion of ‘Hopium’. The first one is ‘Kintsugi’, because it is a very compact, concise song. We immediately thought about it as single. The video was directed by Riccardo Nifosi, our bass player and Devilnax, he is the guy who takes care of our videos and visuals since forever basically. They directed the video and the same it was for the second one for ‘Night Drive’. I wrote the story of the video and then we had a meeting to see if it was possible, because it was quite a complex video to make, but I think it worked. It is very nice to see. And then we have a play-through for ‘Hopium’, because we did not want to make a video clip of nine minutes. It is just the band playing in the studio. There is another play-through video of a song that will be released after the release of the record. It is the same session when we filmed ‘Hopium’. The same studio, the same day we filmed both songs.
What about the artwork?
It is done by Devilnax, the guy who made all the artworks, from ‘Insider’ on. He is a very talented guy and we have a very common artistic vision, so it is very easy to explain to him what we have in mind and he always does it in a blink of an eye and presents something we like.
What is the most far away place you have played with Kingcrow so far?
It will be Canada.
Is there a huge difference between the US and Canada when you are touring?
I think Canadians are mostly more Europeans somehow. I would say, closer to Europe than US.
Do you have tour plans yet?
We are going to have a few gigs in September. Three of them with Pain Of Salvation in Italy. We are doing Rome, Milan and Bologna and then we are going to Barcelona to play at Be Prog My Friend, which is a festival. We are playing there and then our management is working on a most extensive tour, but I cannot say anything yet.
Thumbs up for a next European tour then, because your gigs at the Dutch ProgPower festival were always great…
Ah thank you. Yes, we have played there twice. The first time was in 2011 with Redemption as headliner and the second time must have been in 2019. Psychotic Waltz was headlining then, ‘The Persistence’, our former album was out and it was right after a tour with Pain Of Salvation.